I inadvertently got 3 Congestion Fines while visiting London from the US in January. The car hire company, Hertz, generoulsy added a 30 pound "admin fee" + Vat, and deducted the entire amount off my credit card - almost 500 US dollars - without telling me! Many people I talk to here in the US are becoming aware of London's new business UNfriendly attitude, and are choosing to stay away, or do business elsewhere. This kind of approach does not sit well with visitors who are trying to bring business and revenue to London! And it won't help the 2012 Olympic campaign either Can someone tell me how I can appeal these fines? Many thanks (Is this is the tip of the iceberg ? editor exfl)
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Hi - after a few tech problems this comments page is now working "Fingers crossed" if you are reading this then it is. Please leave a nasty as you like comment on the extorting F***ers at county hall, car hating Ken or comments on this website - Kind regards The editor EXFL...
Hi I have just recieved a PCN from TfL - Box junction extortion - for legaly turning right - I am going to appeal, thanks for the very usefull information on this - JF
Thanks for information regarding box junctions turning right - the £100 TfL fine has been cancelled - great website many thanks. Ben
Another victim - the new box junction cameras are popping up all over London - I have two tickets on appeal now, both for turning right at a box junction, these F***ing C**nts are ripping us off wholesale. I cant describe how angry I am at this, and like you have come to the decision that direct action is the only course left..LBH Oh! PS thanks for the info on your website, I would have been lost without it...
Hello Extortion For London, I'm writing to express my view that
the £100 fine for driving in a bus lane in london is extortionate and
unfairly administered. A couple of weeks ago I went into a bus lane
to turn left. I hadn't realised it was a bus lane until I was in
it, I thought it was the lane for turning left. I've only had my
licensce for a couple of months and It was my first time driving in
London. There were no buses anywhere, it was a Sunday, and I was in
the lane for about 10 seconds. When I came back from holiday a week
later I was shocked to discover that my brief mistake was to be punished
by a £100 fine. I don't think I caused £100 worth of disruption
to London transport. I realise that I made a mistake and having passed
my test I should be able to recognise a bus lane and stay out of it.
I also agree that people shouldn't park in bus lanes or deliberately
ignore them to overtake moving traffic. However the fine in this case
is extortionate. It feels like some sort of economic retribution except
I haven't caused any harm to anyone whatsoever. I don't believe
I deserve to be punished so spitefully. I earn £203 per week after tax
for my full time job and £100 is half the value of my car. Not only
is the fine extortionate but the administration is unfair. I elected
to pay my fine over the phone and naturally I wanted to know what the
excemptions were before paying up. I was dismayed to find out that it
was an automated service. How was I going to ask my questions? I spoke
to an operator (Sema) and asked her what the exeptions were as I couldn't
belive that the rights of appeal listed in the letter I recieved were
the only grounds of appeal. She couldn't tell me. She kept me on
hold then said that only exceptional circumstances such as making way
for an emergency vehical were valid exemptions. Having looked at your
website I informed her that picking up and setting down passengers was
excempt. She put me on hold and then told me that was not the case.
I asked her if there was somewhere I could get a list of exceptions.
She gave me a web address that did not work and then the email adress
TSO customer services. I asked her if she got many complaints about
the Bus Lane fines. She said yes and laughed nervously. This poor administraion
means that people must be paying fines when they shouldn't. What
if you swerved to avoid a motorbike and put a wheel in the bus lane?
You'd recieve the letter with the fine. The letter suggests that
this a strict liability crime and you have no defence unless it wasn't
your car or it was stolen. So you might pay the fine without realising
that your situation is excempt. The fact that you have to pay within
14 days to reduce the fine means that people are forced to pay quickly
before they've had time to find out that they may not have to pay
the fine at all. I want to know where the money from all these fines
Well done Westminster Council. Firstly for having the best display in the New Years Day Parade and secondly for forcing your visitors to London for the event to pay for it. We parked in a meter bay, carefully read the instructions re charges printed on the meter which stated no charges for public holidays. Jan 1st for all intents and purposes is a public holiday. The shops and banks were shut so they must have thought so too! Returning to the car we then found a little gift tucked under our wipers. Was this a Christmas Card! - no just a little £50 parking ticket to wish us a happy new year. Enough of sarcasm this was a mean act of trickery designed to gather in as much money as they could from visitors who had been encouraged to come and watch the parade. Speaking to a traffic warden (a friendly one) he also agreed that the charges on such a day were underhand. We now know that when a public holiday falls on a Saturday normal parking regulations apply...so we would like to warn other unsuspecting road users of this ploy. Westminster City Council must have raised so much money that day that instead of giving themselves a pat on the back how about persuading them to give all their income of that day to the Tsunami Appeal.
I recently got 3 bus lane fines in the space of 2 days. None of the pics showed me in the bus lane. Indeed, one sequence didnt even show my car ! Anyway I apealed and the incompetants wasting tax payers money and time had to dismiss all 3 cases when they realised the fines were issued later than 28 days after the alleged incidents..they are sending out fines 2 months late..this is NOT LEGAL..and yet I bet many people just pay up. So it APPEAL APPEAL APPEAL....and only give them 28 days !!!
I parked in London at the weekend - purchased a ticket from the machine adjacent to the parking bay - how angry was I when I returned to my car and found a ticket on the window for parking in a residents bay - why put a maching next to a restricted bay ? - well to sucker people like me into parkng there..GGGRRRRR! I am sick of this - Extortion is the right word -
DISGUSTING WAY TO TREAT DISABLED PEOPLE. 1ST OF APRIL I HAD TO STOP MY VEHICLE IN A RED ROUTE BAY TO ENABLE MY DISABLED SON GO TO THE TOILET, I CAME OUT TO CHECK THE CAR AND FOUND A WARDEN HAD PUT A TICKET ON THE CAR I TRIED TO EXPLAIN THIS WAS AN EMERGENCY BUT SHE WAS NOT INTERESTED. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ALL DISABLED PEOPLE WHO VISIT TOOTING PISS AND SHIT WHERE THEY STAND AND THE WARDENS CAN ADD A NEW PART TO THEIR JOB DISCRIPTION. NICE OF THEM TO CHARGE £100 TO GO TO THE TOILET, £50 DISCOUNTED IF YOU PAY WITHIN 14 DAYS. BACK THE BID I DO NOT THINK SO, ONLY IF DISABLED PEOPLE ARE WARNED ABOUT THE WAY TRANSPORT FOR LONDON TREATED MY SON(I HAD TO LEAVE HIM ON THE TOILET OF THE SHOP NEARBY TO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO PARK, WALK BACK TO CLEAN HIM THEN GO TO GET THE CAR MAKING SURE THE EVIL WARDENS WERE NO WHERE TO BE SEEN) THANKS TRANSPORT FOR LONDON MEDAL FOR LACK OF COMPASSION TO M TYLER TL7360. I HAVE SENT EXAMPLE TO WATCHDOG, AND THE TABLOIDS IN THE ATTEMPT TO WARN OTHERS. MRS L MASON (ADDRESS WITHELD)
I have just received a bus lane fine. I was sitting in the typical gridlock of london, losing patience and a matter of a few metres away from the formation of the lane for me too turn left (a lane that leads off a bus lane thats big enough for about three cars) I drove 5 metres up the bus lane into my lane to go left only to get a fine. I've been driving for many years and have never been made aware of a bus lane fine, totally outrageous!!
I inadvertently got 3 Congestion Fines while visiting London from the US in January. The car hiore company, Hertz, generoulsy added a 30 pound "admin fee" + Vat, and deducted the entire amount off my credit card - almost 500 US dollars - without telling me! Many people I talk to here in the US are becoming aware of London's new business UNfriendly attitude, and are choosing to stay away, or do business elsewhere. This kind of approach does not sit well with visitors who are trying to bring business and revenue to London! And it won't help the 2012 Olympic campaign either Can someone tell me how I can appeal these fines? Many thanks
i am appealing. i was in a bus lane, the sign said bus bicycles taxi. i drive a taxi which is a hackney carriage and not private hire which was pointed out in my 1st letter. they have rejected my 1st leter the reason they give was to reference of the word taxi. i already know the meaning. oh dear here we go another letter to the stupid.
BLOODY LONDON BUSES! They are way too W I I I I I DE for London's streets! These big red clots are causing more congestion than they are solving. Stopping forever because of no conductors to take the fares ( more profit for TFL fatcats), impossible for cars to overtake. Causing huge backlogs and jams outwith the few buslaned roads. On bus-laned roads they compress and again jam traffic into remaining lane(s). Bring back re-vamped ROUTEMASTERS ! Two feet narrower, less polluting and much more sprightly about London with conductors aboard. Less obscene fatcat profit. More QOL for Londoners. Someone tell Ken these red Dinosaurs must be either directed to wide roads or sent to the scrapyard. He stands against the 4X4 tanks; so Ken; go by car for a change ~and OBSERVE how these oversized clunks are disrupting traffic flow in the capital. Why aren't more people noticing this obvious cause of London's traffic congestion? They have been designed much to wide for our streets.
Guilty until proven innocent
The parking regulations in this country
are a travesty of law and justice.
Can you believe it £40 for 15 seconds
Every Thursday morning between 6.30 and 7 am I enter the congestion-charge zone behind Marble Arch station on my way to work in North Finchley. I was flabbergasted last year to receive a £40 charge for having left the Zone at 7.00.15
I appealed against this, and the appeal was rejected, and they pointed out that there clock adhered to the Atomic clock in Rugby.
Can you believe it £40 for 06seconds
How frustrating to receive a congestion charge fine for entering the zone at 18.29.54 - 6 seconds before the charge ends
Can you believe
it £40 for 01 seconds
Yes we can believe it, because that is how the extortion
Machine operates. The smug, bureaucrats that control this machine believe
in the system they are acolytes to. justice, fairness, humanity doesn't
come into it. We have come to the sad conclusion that the only way to
fight this machine is by direct action; action against the smug weasels
that are controlling it... email@example.com :
The reason that traffic has grown 7% (mainly due to long haul and motorway traffic) is that, despite around 350% tax and duties on private transport fuel, and a whole host of other taxes, charges, fees and fines; and tax rebates and subsidies on public transport; all other things being equal: it's still more affordable and practical to use private transport.
For example, traffic entering central London fell steadily from 161,000 vehicles in 1987 to 142,000 vehicles in 1997 and has gone down 18% in the past two years alone. This is more than Ken's 15% reduction target for his scheme, which itself merely matches the estimated 14% increase in traffic around the perimeter which it will generate.
However the fact that congestion is increasing might not be unrelated to the creation of 100 miles of bus lanes in London, the width restriction or closure of many roads and junctions, the replacement of pedestrian overbridges with 'pedestrian friendly' pelican crossings, and the rephasing of traffic lights, some giving only a few seconds of green - enough for only two or three cars to proceed, before switching to minutes of red for the benefit of pedestrians.
I can well understand why she doesn't understand all the fuss the anti-congestion charging people are creating or what they really want. And I am happy to explain it to her as she doesn't get it: having been forced to sit in a traffic jam, wasting fuel, and producing what little pollution cars do in comparison with buses by Kengestion engineering, motorists don't see why they should be charged even more in stealth taxes for the privilege.
As for her other comments, nobody is saying congestion is a good thing. What they are saying is that the loss of millions of pounds to the economy through congestion is not a good thing - but it is the motorist who is being forced to suffer engineered congestion, who is suffering that loss, and is then being charged for suffering it.
If she cares to check the report on the premature deaths of 20,000 people through pollution-related diseases, she will find that the traffic pollution it refers to is that which is generated by buses, not cars.
The UK is the most congested country in Europe, and London the most congested in the UK - because the UK has the lowest proportion of existing national and motorway road, and road construction planned, per head, per acre, per car, per GDP, per you name it. And what little we have is halved by bus lanes, halved again by the gridlocked junctions that causes, and then halved again by traffic calming and congestion engineering.
Bogush J Mann -
I just read the Ken Livingstone Interview bloody hilarious, and probably very close to the truth – he is a loathsome individual whose policies will insidiously ruin London – Thanks for a very funny and informative website - GB
I recently got a bus lane fine which I wanted to appeal until I was informed by London Borough of Brent that the fine would go up from £50 to £100 if I lost my case. This I feel needs reviewing as lower income families and pensioners should be given the chance to appeal without the threat of added fines.
Answer to the above message – this fine increase trick is blackmail “Extortion” – during the appeals process the fine is frozen at the £40/£50 REMEMBER over 70 % of appeals are won by the driver – so appeal all the way – if you do lose – you will most likely only have to pay the original reduced amount and not the full fine – It cost TFL and local authorities £100’s of pounds to go to appeal – call their bluff – Appealing throws a spanner in their works if enough drivers appeal we might start to see a bit more fairness in this whole sickening extortion racket…The editor EXFL.com